Curse

freekedoutfish · May 10, 2007, 08:24 AM // 08:24

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Originally Posted by darkorical

....as for the I did it you can too people. I dont really give a rats a$$ what you did I am sick of all of you weather it be on this or topic or anything else....

.....maybe if you weren't so absorbed in your own leetness you would be able to comprehiend one grain of compassion and understanding for someone who might not have time to play or someone who's computer just barlely runs guild wars in the first place.....

I stopped reading your post after you said that. Since im the one kept saying "If everyone else can do it, you can to", then Ill assume that was aimed at me.

Example....

If you were having difficulty learning to drive, and your mates had all managed to pass, and they were saying "Come on, you'l pass eventually, just keep trying".

Would you tell them to f'off and give up, and storm off in a huff. Then ask the instructor to make it easier by making sure all the roads were clear when you do your test?

Ofcourse you wouldnt.

Would you then call your driving instructor uncaring and unconciderate because he wouldnt clear the roads for you? Grow up!

Saying "I dont care if others have done it, I want it made easier" is completely childish. Why should Anet take time out of their busy schedule, to impliment a system like that just because your lazey?

And what is with this belief that if you have Grandmaster cartographer or legendary Cartographer that your a L33t player?

I am not a l33t player, and stop making such stupid statements suggesting that I and other explorers are. You dont need to be a L33t player to get 100% using the existing system.

We dont all spend 24/7 of your lives exploring. We dont all live inside GWs and have magical powers that make exploration easier.

I for one, only play GWs when I have nothing else to do. I would much rather be down the pub, with my mates getting drunk.

It took me close to a year to explore 100% of Tyria and it was damn hard work. It was frustrating, and I came close to giving up most of the time. Yet what did I do? I kept going, I didnt winge about % marks. I used maps and my intelligence.

It took a damn long time, but I got there. Cantha and Elona were only easier and took less time, due to my experience exploring Tyria. I had learnt patience and how to do it.

Stop with these rediculious statements calling anyone that has 100% l33t, arrogant and uncaring. You're the one who is too lazey to work for the title, and wants little % marks to make your life easier.

There is no need to go calling those of us with 100% just because we're trying to help you. We're trying to make you realise that all it takes is hard work and time. We've mentioned countless times, that methods exist to help you out.

Ofcourse it wont be done within a matter of days. It could take months, like it did me. But what did you expect when you started exploring?

Did you honestly think it was going to be a walk in the park? Did you honestly think it was going only take a few weeks of hugging walls?

Reality check people - its hard!

Im sorry that you listened to those rumours saying "Exploration is easy", and then started doing it and got hit hard by reality. But dont start winging and calling those who already have 100%.

The only reason you started exploring is to get an "easy" 3 max titles. It hurts when reality hits and you realise its not "easy" doesnt it!!!

God knows what you're like in an exam! "Excuse me, I thought this exam was going to be easy. I want you to make it easier, because I couldnt be bothered to revise last night."

And as for your computing barely running GWs. Turn your settings down!!!, and how does that effect exploration?

It makes me laugh. Your computer cant handle GWs (despite it not being a demanding game) so you want Anet to spend time, effort and money developing a system to display % marks? How will that make your game run any better, or make exploration any easier if your computer cant even handle it?

You dont need % marks, you need a better computer.

Hyper.nl · May 10, 2007, 08:57 AM // 08:57

/signed

Excellent idea, it helps a bit in the painful process of finding out where those last unexplored bits are.

mr_groovy · May 10, 2007, 10:47 AM // 10:47

Just got it, and it wasn't easy. I say no no no no no, and fully agree with freekedoutfish. If u want this title work for it. Be resource full.

darkorical · May 11, 2007, 03:33 AM // 03:33

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I stopped reading your post after you said that. Since im the one kept saying "If everyone else can do it, you can to", then Ill assume that was aimed at me.

as a matter of fact it was not at all aimed at you it was aimed at all the people who said such things.

now unlike you I did read your entire post however since you didnt bother to read what I had to say I am not going to bother to respond to your points except to say that some of them are invalid

bhavv · May 11, 2007, 05:22 AM // 05:22

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Ive had this discusson with someone on here already, so im going to keep it short....

Comparing maps = using your head, your intelligent, your inititive, resources, time and effort. It shows you willing to put outside effort into exploring.

% marks on screen = nothing. It shows you can read some numbers on screen.

Yes, looking at two pictures and playing spot the difference is really intelligent and using your head.

% marks on screen will be making this title acheivable by working on your own without having other people do all your work.

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Example....

If you were having difficulty learning to drive, and your mates had all managed to pass, and they were saying "Come on, you'l pass eventually, just keep trying".

Would you tell them to f'off and give up, and storm off in a huff. Then ask the instructor to make it easier by making sure all the roads were clear when you do your test?

Example.... Would you ask your driving instructor to give you your exam paper with all the answers on it for you to copy? Then why compare maps. Its cheating by your own comparison.

freekedoutfish · May 11, 2007, 08:00 AM // 08:00

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Originally Posted by darkorical

as a matter of fact it was not at all aimed at you it was aimed at all the people who said such things.

now unlike you I did read your entire post however since you didnt bother to read what I had to say I am not going to bother to respond to your points except to say that some of them are invalid

And why would I read a post that started off with...

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Originally Posted by darkorical

.....maybe if you weren't so absorbed in your own leetness.....

If you want people to read your replies, then dont throw such mindless insults around.

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Example.... Would you ask your driving instructor to give you your exam paper with all the answers on it for you to copy? Then why compare maps. Its cheating by your own comparison.

Except the difference is I wouldnt ask the driving instructor to clear the roads OR ask for the answers before the test.

I did most of Tyria, cantha and elona without using maps. It was only those last tiny few bits. But even if I hadnt realised to use maps to find where I had missed, I wouldnt have started winging and complaining about exploration like a child.

I accepted (at the time) that exploration was hard, and I buckelled down and explored. I was willing to endure the months of exploring for a few hours a night. It was frustrating, but I didnt winge, I didnt make posts about % marks.

I may have used maps nearer the end when I was at around 95%, but to be honest in Tryia it didnt help that much. That method is alot more effective in cantha and elona because their smaller. In Tyria its a case of knowing you've missed a huge junk somewhere, going in and hugging walls. Because the map is so big, comparing layers doesnt work hugely well once you get to 95-99%.

But did I make endless posts about % marks and how its unfair? No!

Even if I hadnt used maps, I would have still stuck at it, because I was determined to finish the title.

Zexion · May 11, 2007, 10:10 AM // 10:10

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I may have used maps nearer the end when I was at around 95%, but to be honest in Tryia it didnt help that much. That method is alot more effective in cantha and elona because their smaller. In Tyria its a case of knowing you've missed a huge junk somewhere, going in and hugging walls. Because the map is so big, comparing layers doesnt work hugely well once you get to 95-99%.

Using the driving test metaphor again.
That is basically saying "I won't cheat on the first 19 out of 20 questions, which are easy questions, but when I get to the final question I am having a hard time with, sure, give me the answer so I can cheat."

Sorry, but you're kinda playing double morals there.

_Zexion

Gem · May 11, 2007, 11:11 AM // 11:11

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Yes, looking at two pictures and playing spot the difference is really intelligent and using your head.

% marks on screen will be making this title acheivable by working on your own without having other people do all your work.

How do you think the first explorers did it? By looking at maps that no one had? No, they did it on their own, and even now you can do it on your own without looking at a map. I know I did and it only makes me feel better. Actually I feel even better when I realise how close I was to 100% before the title system was in the game.

However, I'm still not sure if this box should or should not be implemented. It would be a nice tool for those who are still thriving for the title, but it would lower the value of the title a bit. And like I previously said, a box there would just make the bar far more crowded when you have all those enchantments, hexes and conditions on you. A different method is needed. I would like something similiar to the hard mode vanquisher mark, something that shows you on the large map if you've explored the map area 100% or not.

Halbarad Wolfson · May 11, 2007, 02:17 PM // 14:17

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I accepted (at the time) that exploration was hard, and I buckelled down and explored. I was willing to endure the months of exploring for a few hours a night. It was frustrating, but I didnt winge, I didnt make posts about % marks.

geez... what's with all the "work" and "frustration" and "endure" and "buckelling down" and "winge" and "determined" and "it hurts when reality hits" and "exam"...

GuildWars is NOT an exam! that's what makes all the comparisons invalid.
GuildWars is a game that people play for fun.

of course the cartographer title can be done with comparing maps. but comparing maps is not at all an intellectual challenge. it's just time consuming.

if you're "freeked out" (oops pun?) for others being able to get some in game title easier than you did... grow up. and definitely go to the pub and have a drink before you go to the forums. might calm you down

Dougal Kronik · May 11, 2007, 02:42 PM // 14:42

You don't deserve the title if Anet dumbs it down for you.

Go out and explore the map, redo each zone if you have to.

Maybe most of those that would like Anet to coddle them should realize that some aspects of the game may not be for them.

If Hard mode is too hard, then don't do it.
If you died at level 19, then you are not a Survivor.
If you can't find the last 0.1%, then you are not a Grandmaster Cartographer.

Lady Ana Stacia · May 11, 2007, 03:38 PM // 15:38

/notsigned

If specifically for the reason that the thrill of the hunt for me was getting to 97,98 % and getting excited when I would see it go up by .1% till I hit 100%.Heck at 99.5% I would get excited just seeing a section unfog that didn't even add .1% to the title.

Add a % explored and that thrill that excitement is gone. Then it goes from woot another .1% to check map oh this area has another .1% that needs to be found.

I prefer the thrill and excitement to exploring then looking at a map and having it tell me where to explore.